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SECRET Downswing Move To Shallow The Club (DOOR KNOB TURN)

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Milo Lines:
So we’ve been getting a lot of questions about this secret move, the doorknob feel to shallow the golf club in the downswing. So stick around and watch this video to find out more about what we’re talking about.

Henry Fall:
All right, Milo. So we’ve gotten a lot of questions on YouTube and Instagram about this sort of trail arm, trail wrist motion in the downswing in transition, and you’ve posted a few clips on like Instagram about just this move.

Milo Lines:
Yep.

Henry Fall:
And I think people are kind of, they want a little more detail as to how this is accomplished. Right?

Milo Lines:
Okay. So what that move is, is it’s called supination. So what supination is, is my forearm, I don’t need to rotate my upper arm. My forearm can rotate like this. This is pronation. Supination. What supination is, it’s that rotation. People think it really is going to affect the club face. So if I take this and I actually supinate it like that, some people think, well, won’t that open the face up?

Henry Fall:
Well, that was one of the questions too, is like, they say, when we’ve tried this move, we feel like the club face opened up.

Milo Lines:
Okay.

Henry Fall:
Right. Did I just do that correctly? That’s the question.

Milo Lines:
And that’s the question. Did you supinate it correctly? Well, it would open the face up if you supinate it and take away the extension in your trail wrist. So if your trail wrist goes like this, now that face is going to go, now it’s wide open. But what if I put the extension back into my trail wrist? Oh, now the face is good. But the head went from up here over to there. But the face didn’t open or close. Does that make sense?

Henry Fall:
Staying square to the arc.

Milo Lines:
It’s staying fairly square to the arc. So we can have the club up here, open the door, so get that phone out. Pretend that’s a door handle. So we can open the door, but the phone is still pointing back at the camera.

Milo Lines:
Right?

Henry Fall:
Right. It didn’t start going up toward the sky.

Milo Lines:
If it did that, then the face would be wide open and you’d be really in trouble.

Henry Fall:
And if you look at my wrist angle, [crosstalk 00:02:17].

Milo Lines:
Yes.

Henry Fall:
So if I had extension…

Milo Lines:
If you have the extension, then you can make this go like this and not open face.

Henry Fall:
So I think I’ve heard a term for this before as well as sort of a twirl. Have you kind of heard that as well?

Milo Lines:
I’ve heard that.

Henry Fall:
Yeah. And one kind of cool sort of byproduct of this motion that a lot of people try to achieve without this motion is this trail elbow. When I do this motion, you notice at the top here, my elbow’s kind of pointed out behind me, when I supinate my forearm…

Milo Lines:
If you go far enough, it begins to externally rotate your shoulder some amount.

Henry Fall:
Right. The elbow’s starting to point more back towards the golf ball or the target line.

Milo Lines:
Exactly.

Henry Fall:
So that gets the elbow in front. So a lot of people are trying to drive this elbow. What happens is, look what happens in the face.

Milo Lines:
That yeah, makes the face wildly open.

Henry Fall:
Right.

Milo Lines:
And they wind up then doing other things, like throwing all the angles out early and casting because they have to. Because you just opened the face up. Now you’ve got to flip.

Henry Fall:
So I guess what would be a good way for them outside of in the golf swing to feel this maybe at home. I think you’ve talked to me before about you could put your hand on a wall and basically just kind of let-

Milo Lines:
Make your fingers go down the wall.

Henry Fall:
Just let it ride down the wall. Yeah.

Milo Lines:
Yeah. And this is not a move that’s exclusive to golf.

Milo Lines:
It’s actually, if you were throwing a ball, which we have one here and you’ll be able to see this, but if I was going to throw this ball side arm, when I get up here, my hand is pointing kind of back toward the camera. Now where’s my hand pointing?

Henry Fall:
Well, the palms out that way.

Milo Lines:
Yeah.

Henry Fall:
Right. Yeah.

Milo Lines:
So my fingers went from here. They didn’t go this way. They supinated.

Henry Fall:
And if anything, extension increased.

Milo Lines:
Extension will, yeah, in the throw, the extension’s going to increase.

Henry Fall:
Right.

Milo Lines:
And there’s going to be some supination. So it’s a similar motion to what you would do in other games or throwing. So it’s not necessarily something that’s only golf, but yeah, that idea of putting your hand on a wall and then just getting your fingers to ride down the wall. That’s basically what we’re after here.

Henry Fall:
Okay. And another thought that comes to mind is that, okay, so we’ve got this feel on the wall and we’re trying to make it happen in the golf swing, right. But is it manually done? Is it a hand and arm focused motion or is there something else that we would like to kind of carry that motion?

Milo Lines:
Well, in reality, I want it to be more of a reaction to other dynamics that are going on, the pivot, where the center of mass is of the club is at the top of the swing. But for some people it’s going to need to be manually done because they’re manually, they’re going the other way when they think they’re not doing anything. And so that’s the tough part about coaching is what does it feel like for each individual? Well, I don’t know.

Milo Lines:
It’s going to be different for everybody. We’re not all the same. So for some of you, you might actually have to feel like you manually make this go like that to hit it for the first little while. But eventually, that feeling will become so natural, it’ll just happen on its own and you can blend it with more of a rotational motion with your body.

Henry Fall:
Yeah. I would think tension would play into that too, right. Because if I had any want to pull down or tighten my grip or sort of put more force and tension in my wrists and forearms, I’m not going to be able to achieve that. Right?

Milo Lines:
No, you’re not going to let the weight of that golf club just naturally go where it wants to go. You’re going to grab it and throw it somewhere else.

Henry Fall:
So could that be sort of a good feeling is to grip it almost as softly as I can, stand it up and sort of let it…

Milo Lines:
That’s a great little drill. So you could-

Henry Fall:
As long as I’m kind of keeping my wrist this way-

Milo Lines:
Not letting it go that way and get the face open.

Henry Fall:
I’m not serving dinner. I’m not giving you your dinner here. If anything, I’m kind of keeping it…

Milo Lines:
It’s kind of staying away and that wrist is working this way.

Henry Fall:
Right.

Milo Lines:
Yeah.

Henry Fall:
Interesting.

Henry Fall:
Yeah. And I think that that first move, if you can get it to happen because of your pivot and with some softness in this wrist, that’s the more optimal way to do it versus just-

Milo Lines:
Yeah. That would be the optimal. But at first you might actually have to train yourself so you know what it even feels like to get it to go the right way.

Henry Fall:
Right. Right. Because we see a lot of people at the top of the golf swing, they look like that.

Milo Lines:
Oh yeah. And then what do they do in transition? A lot of them go-

Henry Fall:
Well then they, yeah. They pull down.

Milo Lines:
Well, they pull down, they go this way. . See a lot of this.

Henry Fall:
They almost never get it in this position here.

Milo Lines:
Well it’s because a lot of them are afraid that that face is going to get open and that ball’s going to go straight to the right.

Milo Lines:
Because they all struggle with the right. So then they try harder and harder to get that thing out in front and square it up and it gets worse.

Henry Fall:
So I guess you got to start really slowly with this and build it up. But that’s kind of that secret move we were talking about with a door knob and it happens in almost all the elite players, whether they know it or not, because a lot of them do it without thinking about it.

Milo Lines:
Oh yeah.

Henry Fall:
They’re doing it with their pivot in a rotation. This is naturally just happening.

Milo Lines:
Yep.

Henry Fall:
Right. Cool.

Milo Lines:
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