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Henry Fall:
Milo Lines, Henry Fall, we’re out here at Superstition Mountain Golf & Country Club, and we’re going to be talking about the plane swing here today. And a few concepts that we can use in our golf swing with the plane swing. I mean, excellent visual number one.
Milo Lines:
For sure. I use it a lot for showing visuals of how the motion works and I also like to use it a lot for helping people feel what it feels like from basically waist high to waist high on the other side of their golf swing. So yeah, it’s a really good training aid.
Henry Fall:
Yeah. So we’re going to start forward on here but then we’re going to move down the line. And we’re going to also going to put the camera on the target side to really see how our body’s working and sort of where the club is tracking on this plane. Now this is adjustable,, it goes up more vertical plane and a more flat horizontal plane, so it kind of can fit to your body. The key here though is that this club, or we’re using a shaft here, does not have to always be on this plane.
Milo Lines:
For sure. So not everybody swings on a perfectly symmetrical back and up the plane, down the plane swing, right? Some players have a vertical back swing and then they shallow it onto the plane and other players are more in and up and out. But what really matters is from about here to here, pretty much any tour player, if you put them on video from down the line, their swing does this.
Henry Fall:
Right. So from delivery position to club parallel to ground in the through swing, we call it P6 to P8, that’s where it’s going to be pretty constant. You’ll have a little in to out draw, you might have a little across the line fade, but it’s pretty constant.
Milo Lines:
For sure. So an in to out draw would be, you’d just tilt this plane swing slightly and you swing it slightly in to and out, and a little fade will be tilted the other way slightly. But good players tend to be… They make up kind of a half circle down there, that bottom of the half circle is pretty symmetrical.
Henry Fall:
And what you’ll really seeing in the down the line, what I love about this training aid, we’ll call it, plane swing, is that you really get the visual of golf being a side on sport. It is not straight, straight, you’re not bringing the club right out to the target, it’s on a plane, right?
Milo Lines:
It’s swinging on a plane and going kind of around you, right? Now, you’re the center, but you’re constantly pivoting. So I see a lot of amateurs, when they’re swinging, they are trying to be the center, but they’re not moving, the center needs to pivot.
Henry Fall:
Yep. So if there’s one thing that you really take away from this video, it’s the visual component in my mind, that’s what I really liked on this training unit.
Milo Lines:
Awesome.
Henry Fall:
So let me step in real quick and we just can talk about a couple of things from this angle.
Milo Lines:
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Henry Fall:
So I step in here, I take my pretty normal setup here. And as I go back, my club travels more on this plane. You, for example, though…
Milo Lines:
For me, this felt like it was way too deep. I swing up off of it and then I get back down on it about the time I get there.
Henry Fall:
Right.
Milo Lines:
Yeah.
Henry Fall:
So again, club parallel to club parallel, this is where it should be tracking the most and riding this bar.
Milo Lines:
Exactly.
Henry Fall:
So for me, I like to get it right down to this delivery position and then accelerate to the finish, and use my body to spiral on this plane and finish, right, I actually have my club then come back off.
Milo Lines:
For sure. Pretty sure mine would come back off as well.
Henry Fall:
Let me see you do a couple in here.
Milo Lines:
So I’m set up here. When I swing back, my normal swing would get six inches off that bar. So for me to get that on the bar, it’s like, oh my goodness.
Henry Fall:
But I do like how it forces you to get this really big turn, spiral up.
Milo Lines:
You’re getting big turn. I just tend to get my hands up more and now I would get back down on it, right, I can feel it, hit it pretty hard right there. And then we’d go around like that. And then in my follow through, it would come back off.
Henry Fall:
Right. What I also like about this is what it does to your wrists and forces you, because if you just rotate your arms over, you’re kind of fighting this swing.
Milo Lines:
Well, if I rotate my arms over, I get off of it. So for me to keep the shaft of this on the plane, I can’t twist because I come off. So it’s a pretty good aid to help you understand the motion of what your body needs to do.
Henry Fall:
Yep. All right, well, let’s take a look at the down the line so they can see that visual as well. We’re down the line now, I’m inside the plane swing. I feel like I’m in a spaceship or something, it’s pretty cool. So again, setting up, following this plane on the way back for me, like we said, it’s more on plane. Yours comes off a little more and then shallows.
Milo Lines:
Yep. I have a little loop in my transition where you’re more up the plane down on the plane. And we really saw that when we actually put you on gears and we saw your avatar and how you move the club, it was pretty much up and down. And if you look at my gears, it’s up and significant shallowing move and down.
Henry Fall:
So let’s talk about a few players that we’ve seen throughout history and how it relates to this plane here. If we have, let’s say Matt Wolf, younger guy that you see now on tour.
Milo Lines:
Matt Wolf would be off of it, almost the entire swing. And then he would shallow and he would get on it right there, boom.
Henry Fall:
Yep. Same with like a Jim Furyk. Now let’s say, Raymond Floyd or JB Holmes.
Milo Lines:
Well, they would go inside of it in the back and then they would come out and get on it and come down.
Henry Fall:
Yep. And then you have your maybe Ben Hogans or Lee Trevinos where it’s a little more on this plane.
Milo Lines:
They close to on the plane but then shallow out just a little bit more.
Henry Fall:
Yeah. It might even be a flatter plan and this would go down lower.
Milo Lines:
Yeah, we’d have to lower it a little bit because they swing on a fairly shallow plane. And so the club works more around and then shallows out even a little bit more and comes on a pretty shallow plane into the ball, like a Sergio.
Henry Fall:
Yep. And then someone might be a little more vertical. And it’s amazing too because the clubs can dictate some of this too. If you have flatter lie angles, theoretically, it might be a little flatter and a little more upright. It’d be more upright so…
Milo Lines:
Yeah, a lot of that is determined by your anatomy, right? So tall people generally are going to swing more vertical, short people generally going to swing more around. So that’s why it’s important that this thing is adjustable.
Henry Fall:
Yeah. So for me, again, it goes back to this delivery position and you were saying the club parallel to club parallel P6 to P8 here. For me, I want to have the end of this club or shaft just inside my hands. If I start getting them outside, I’m either stuck or it’s slice city.
Milo Lines:
Or a big pull.
Henry Fall:
If the face is shut.
Milo Lines:
Yeah.
Henry Fall:
So I like to have it right here.
Milo Lines:
Exactly. I like to feel like the hands is just slightly outside of that so that the head would be slightly behind your hands at that point.
Henry Fall:
Yep. My body’s starting to get in the ground, I’m rotating, and now I just spiral up to the finish if I can stay on this thing. You can see right here, my spine is still in angle here, my eyes are still on this angle, everything is still on this plane.
Milo Lines:
Yeah, perfect. Let me jump in there and make a swing real fast. See what that feels like. So it’s up the plane, now mine would come off, get back off, and worked around. From here to here, it feels so natural, that’s just my normal motion. Once I get…. Yep. That’s just what I would do.
Henry Fall:
It’s a great feeling from impact to wherever your finishes is, or let’s say you even stopped right here, because the club goes back around you to the left.
Milo Lines:
Club comes back around your hands, you can see your hands go back around. So you’re not like this.
Henry Fall:
Yep. And you’re on this nice tilt here. Your head’s on tilt shoulders…
Milo Lines:
Everything’s angled like, like the plane switch.
Henry Fall:
Yeah. So again, this goes back to the visual component understanding of using this. All right. So I don’t about you Milo, but when I’m looking at swings and I get a glance from a target side camera angle of any of these tour pros, I learned so much, it’s one of my favorite angles to look at because you really start to see how the hips, the body, the chest starts opening up when the club goes back around you. And it’s just for some people it’s really hard to see that, they think the club goes down the line at the target. But when you see that target side camera angle, there’s so much to learn.
Milo Lines:
It’s so clear that the only time the club is actually kind of traveling up the target line is right here. So when you hit the ball, that’s kind of the only time when the club was going somewhat straight. Other than that, it’s going up the plane over here, down the plane and then back up and in. So it’s not really ever going in a straight line.
Henry Fall:
Yep. I think it’s just a great visual and seeing the movement from that side, how the body’s working again, staying on that tilt and the club working back around you. And this is why, again, I love this plane swing for that reason is you get to feel that and have a sort of guide. So for a beginner golfer, this is a great starting point, but they are a lot of pros that use this as well.
Milo Lines:
For sure. Yeah, a lot of people like to train what it feels like from, as we said P6 to P8. And for those of you who don’t know what that is, that’s basically from waist high to waist high on the other side. And so they’re really training this arc. It’s an arc that’s on a slight angle, right?
Henry Fall:
Yep.
Milo Lines:
And so if you can get really good from here over to here, you’re probably pretty good.
Henry Fall:
Yep. One other thing I like to think of when I’m in this is outside of just my tilt, my body, how it’s spiraling up and then spiraling down and back up, is this trail arm and the hand. I almost feel like my hand is matching this plane throughout the swing. Am I wrong to think that?
Milo Lines:
No, it’s a great visual. The golf swing really doesn’t need to have a lot of twisting. In my opinion, it would be simpler if we use less. So if you can feel that, in reality, it’s probably not going to happen exactly like that. But that would be an awesome feel from this point in the swing over to this point in the swing. And a lot of people are pretty good at actually getting that to happen from here to here, that simplifies what happens down there around the ball. And if we’re having to do this down around the ball, we’re beholden to timing. some days we’re going to have it and some days we’re going to not have it.
Henry Fall:
Well, I mean, one of the best players in the world now has spent hours using something very similar to the plane swing, and that’s Bryson Dechambeau. And he talks about not having forearm rotation. So to me, again, get in here, and I have that feeling like that right hand is just kind of following this arc here.
Milo Lines:
Something that I teach everybody.
Henry Fall:
Yep. So this is a plane swing. Again, great visual and a lot to learn from using this or at least watching a video on it.
Milo Lines:
For sure.
